DDP yayoi, I have some questions.

Hello, I’m just waiting for her to arrive right now. But does anyone know if the wig cap is dark? I’m afraid it might cause staining to the head cap. And does the wig stain in general? 

Thank you for reading, and thanks.

 

Here is a picture the shop sent.

have a nice day.🎀✨

Edited January 8, 2020 by Ohana

Congrats on your adoption!  Yayoi is certainly an adorable girl. 

As for clothing, Azone makes a line of 50cm doll clothing that will fit her nicely.  Check those out on their site as well as Parabox or Junky Spot.  And as you mentioned, some DDS and MDD clothing will also fit her but since her legs are longer and she's a tad slimmer than MDD, some of those pants and skirts may be too short for your liking.  

Also, the VMF50 and Angel Philia clothing are for 50cm girls so you can check those out as well.  Some of those are a bit on the sexier, more revealing side tho so your girl may not want to wear them.  😉  

I have two girls with DDP bodies and I use mostly the Azone and MDD clothes on them and so far that has worked out nicely for us.

 

 

 

Billy

Congratulations! she is a very cute doll.

I missed out on  Yayoi & Iori. You got her a good price, they go for around the same price if you convert it into Japanese yen. Good Job!👍

Congrats on your Yayoi. 
 

I don’t think Volks DDS clothing will be a good fit, but their MDD outfits that have skirts as opposed to pants will work. MDD pants aren’t going to work well, the fit will be really tight in the hips and the legs will be too short. If memory serves me there are some MDD outfits with skirts that don’t list DDP as a fit. I always check the fit list to make sure DDP is listed.

Here is a discussion around DDP clothing. 
 

Towards the end you will see my Iori in some shorts and a denim skirt I got from Dollheart. Both are sized for Volks MSD, and were really hard to get over her butt, but they looked nice once I had them on.

As far as shoes go, the MDD / MSD shoes fit.

I’m not sure what you mean by hand fits, unless you mean option hands? There are no DDP option hands at this time, but you can use the DD hands on the DDP frame. Even the normal hands look too big though; someone pointed out a while back they look like a meat glove. 

I’ve had Yayoi since she was released. She’s a very cute doll.  
 

Edited January 1, 2020 by BeyondTime

5 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

If memory serves me there are some MDD outfits with skirts that don’t list DDP as a fit. I always check the fit list to make sure DDP is listed.

Just to add a bit to this, outfits that pre-date the existence of DDP of course do not list DDP compatibility, so there are MDD outfits that work but don't state as such. Indeed it will only be skirt outfits though, and it certainly is possible there is something with a skirt that doesn't fit for some reason or another.

Volks will also not rate an outfit as compatible if there is a single piece of it that doesn't work, so for example if there is an MDD skirt outfit that also has shorts underneath, it wouldn't be rated to fit even though parts other than the shorts are probably ok.

Edit: Besides @foo's topic linked above, there's a little discussion of clothing starting around here in this topic:

 

Edited January 1, 2020 by cfx

3 hours ago, cfx said:

and it certainly is possible there is something with a skirt that doesn't fit for some reason or another.

I think the length of a skirt is key to the overall feel of an outfit, so even though the skirt might fit on the doll, the look could end up being something other than advertised. 

My suspicion here is that they won’t list it as fitting if the skirt doesn’t fit the doll in a way that suits the outfit concept. 

I don't expect that Volks really considers clothing aesthetics in their fit charts, considering all the dresses and skirts that they state fit DDSB and DDB.

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Edited January 3, 2020 by cfx

1 hour ago, cfx said:

I don't expect that Volks really considers clothing aesthetics in their fit charts, considering all the dresses and skirts that they state fit DDSB and DDB.

Then again, with all the gender nonsense in the world today, maybe that is intentional.

I think they do care about aesthetics.

My understanding is that the Japanese have always been more flexible on the subject of who can wear what clothing, but I only know that through hearsay. It didn't really surprise me that Volks lists fits for boys on girls clothing. It's a bit more expected with girls since they can generally wear guy stuff without any real stigma.

I'll mention this because Volks made a Jeanne d'Arc DD, and her history may be interesting to some.

Joan of Arc was burned at the stake for violating the biblical law against cross dressing - see Deuteronomy 22:5 

A few years later her case was retried and she was acquitted; her excommunication rescinded. The rule as applied in Church Law contained specific exceptions for people who did so from legitimate need.

In Joan's case she wore men's clothing in prison because it deterred rape, something to do with the pants fastening to the shirt which prevented men from pulling them off of her, and also while traveling with her army for purely practical reasons. These things were brought up at her initial trial.

The Church concluded that that Cardinal who presided over her case was twisting the rule of law to persecute her because of his pro-English stance on the war, and he was subsequently excommunicated for his crimes, sadly this was posthumous. Joan eventually (1920) became the Patron Saint of France, martyrs, virgins, soldiers in France & the US, and military servicewomen all over the world.

She was an ordinary peasant girl who had only barely learned how to read and write when she died, but she became the most famous woman in history, easily more recognized than any politician or monarch living or dead.

And we killed her with fire for wearing men's clothing; not exactly our finest hour.

Edited January 2, 2020 by BeyondTime

1 hour ago, BeyondTime said:

I think they do care about aesthetics.

They perhaps do, but there are specific things that they either ignore, or do not feel are important. Any outfit with long sleeves that isn't made for DDS specifically will have sleeves that are too long. For some outfits just bunching them up is fine; for suits and things like the military outfits, that doesn't particularly look good. Same with pants; it's fine for jeans, not so good for more formal clothing. OTOH it appears that if an outfit has a long coat where it will be noticably too long on DDS, they won't rate such an outfit to fit them.

There's nothing wrong with them rating dresses in high-heeled pumps for DD boys or owners dressing their dolls any way they want to, but I feel like Volks doing that also suggests that the size compatiblity charts are mostly just a technical definition of fit, and they leave the decision of "does this look good" to the consumer, which is also why I really don't suspect they wouldn't list a MDD skirt for DDP just because it is really short there, because the definition of "too short" isn't going to be the same for everyone either.

Not the best example perhaps, but the Deep Blue "Smart" set with the short pants:

On DD, the pants end above the knees; on DDS, they go just below. Neither fit is wrong, but the look is pretty different, because there's a lot more, or less, bare leg exposed. Volks makes no judgment on this; they just say it fits both. (I happen to prefer the look on DDS.)

Edited January 2, 2020 by cfx

10 hours ago, cfx said:

Any outfit with long sleeves that isn't made for DDS specifically will have sleeves that are too long.

I think the basic issue here is that the fits on most clothing are really for SD, and it's the SD that the look of the clothing is designed for. DD & SDGr are about equivalent except for the waist, but DDS is an off standard size for them and not much stuff is made specifically for DDS.

In my mind they really should treat the DD line as it's own thing and periodically do outfits and ordinary clothing aimed at specific DD sizes. They wouldn't need to do every size every outfit release.

I think the issue with aesthetics would be that a skirt that reaches the knee on an MDD would be mid-thigh on a DDP. Depending on the shape of the skirt it could look bad on DDP. That's the type of thing that I think would make Volks not list DDP on an outfit.

I'd like to see this set on a DDP, just because I think the skirt is going to ride way too high on the waist, and overall it will look like someone is wearing clothing they outgrew.

This image is another good example of how the boots are just too big, but they really work with this outfit and the chibified look of the doll.

2 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

I'd like to see this set on a DDP, just because I think the skirt is going to ride way too high on the waist, and overall it will look like someone is wearing clothing they outgrew.

The high waist look may be a part of the design as I have the larger girl version and it's just kind of made that way it seems. Still, that is going to look like a miniskirt on a DDP, which probably will look funny.

This outfit, or its blue variant, was one of the very few things I found that I liked enough and in the type of styles I like, to get for Yayoi, which is part of the reason I decided again against getting her.

Mandarake has sold a MDD that had the blue version of this so here's a link to their picture of what that looks like:

https://img.mandarake.co.jp/webshopimg/02/01/350/0201217350/0201217350835.jpg

Anyway, I suppose that was kind of my point; Volks Does rates this outfit as fitting on DDP so either they feel it does look fine, or they don't judge that at all and leave it up to you to decide.

2 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

This image is another good example of how the boots are just too big, but they really work with this outfit and the chibified look of the doll.

I personally think those boots look huge and terrible on her. Finding how this seems even more common with this size of shoes than ones for DD, that was another thing that had me drop the idea of getting a DDP.

I know front views are often deceiving, but the different boots in the Mandarake picture seem like they're not as huge.

Edited January 2, 2020 by cfx

1 hour ago, cfx said:

I personally think those boots look huge and terrible on her.

I think what works is that they look like something a little kid would wear. I have no idea if this is atypical, but my mother always bought oversized clothing for her kids so we would grow into them instead of immediately outgrowing them. With stuff like pants she would re-hem the legs, and then let them out as we grew. Thread was cheaper than new pants every few months. That may not be as much of any issue today with all the cheap clothing coming in from Asia. 

Anyways, that’s what they make me think of, a little kid in Winter boots that are just a bit too big, but by Spring she will have grown into them. 
 

1 hour ago, cfx said:

The high waist look may be a part of the design as I have the larger girl version and it's just kind of made that way it seems.

Agreed that’s the design, but the waist will probably be even higher up on a DDP. 

Edited January 2, 2020 by BeyondTime

22 hours ago, cfx said:

I don't expect that Volks really considers clothing aesthetics in their fit charts, considering all the dresses and skirts that they state fit DDSB and DDB.

They list those sizes....because they fit. They certainly look good enough on Len (and my Mel by extension), hence the Fukuoka store regularly using Len as a display model for cute dresses. Cute boys in cute skirts and dresses isn’t anything new in otaku culture, which DDs are geared toward.

Also, I don’t know much about the SDs because I don’t have experience with anything other than a girl SDCute (although mine is male), but I know that for many companies this info is important and useful to know because often the boys do -not- fit into the same thing as girls in the same size range due to differences in shoulder width etc. That’s one of the things that made finding clothing for my Eiji so irritating back when I still had him. It’s especially useful when DDSB and DDB are still relatively new sizes and don’t really have much made for them specifically at all at this point. Gender expression aside, there are single items in clothing sets that are useful for the boys - ie the shirt from Miku’s Ribbon Girl set.

I don’t even want to touch the unnecessary additional comment other than that I found it profoundly disappointing and ironic to see on a forum full of grown men playing with dolls. 

40 minutes ago, Monty said:

They list those sizes....because they fit.

The bone of contention is sort-of-fit vs. fit-well. It would be nice to have stuff that fit DDS and DDP like it was made for them. Afaik the only DDP specific outfits out there are the Twinkle Star sets that sold along with Iori and Yayoi. There have been a few staples like socks and underwear, but not even much of that.

It's also a bit frustrating when the best fitting clothing item for my DDS is a pair of shorts made for SmartDolls.

 

40 minutes ago, Monty said:

I don’t even want to touch the unnecessary additional comment other than that I found it profoundly disappointing and ironic to see on a forum full of grown men playing with dolls. 

Truth is we are all a bit on the weird side by society's standards, but then I am not sure anyone on earth is truly "normal." I generally think in terms of "Does it harm me or the people around me?" If not, then IDGAF about people's weirdness. 

Edited January 3, 2020 by BeyondTime

4 hours ago, Monty said:

They list those sizes....because they fit.

That was the point I'm making. I think this is Volks' only criteria in listing things; they fit, by their definition of fit anyway; I disagree that they are making any kind of aesthetic judgment on what something looks like, and leave that up to the consumer to decide. There's nothing wrong with Len wearing dresses, but I'm just saying I don't think Volks is explcitly endorsing (or not endorsing) that, nor or they making any kind of judgement on whether a skirt designed for MDD is "too short" on DDP, just as they don't really acknowledge that most sleeves are too long on DDS.

What I wish they did was use something like Azone's system of triangles and circles that gave a little more information on how well something actually fits.

3 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

Truth is we are all a bit on the weird side by society's standards, but then I am not sure anyone on earth is truly "normal." I generally think in terms of "Does it harm me or the people around me?" If not, then IDGAF about people's weirdness. 

That was my point. I can be weird without insisting that the world has to accept it and bend to my quirks. But, I realize it's OT and doesn't really belong here, so I'll delete the comment.

Edited January 3, 2020 by cfx