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amarilian

I'm thinking about getting another vinyl type bjd.  The issue is I'm trying to decide on which brand.

I have volks, but do not have a smart doll or an obitsu..

1. Volks vs smart doll vs obitsu

   A. Good points 

   B. Bad points     

       i. do head joints last constantly taking them off. 

      ii. Knee, elbow, ankle joints last.

  C. Members that have different types can sound off a comparison... do these not stain as bad compared to volks, smart doll etc.  

  

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darkangelxix
On 10/24/2019 at 1:54 AM, amarilian said:

I'm thinking about getting another vinyl type bjd.  The issue is I'm trying to decide on which brand.

I have volks, but do not have a smart doll or an obitsu..

1. Volks vs smart doll vs obitsu

   A. Good points 

   B. Bad points     

       i. do head joints last constantly taking them off. 

      ii. Knee, elbow, ankle joints last.

  C. Members that have different types can sound off a comparison... do these not stain as bad compared to volks, smart doll etc.  

  

Bump! I am really interested in this as well. I was about to post a similar question. What are the pros and cons of owning each doll?

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Tierparkzone

Okay, here's a short rundown.

In general, every brand has some advantages over the others, which means there are no clear winners here. Unless one of the points stated below is either very important or a deal breaker for you, I'd say, go with a doll you like the whole package of - no matter the manufacturer. Especially if you're just entering the hobby, this way you'll have a complete doll to start out with and can customize as desired later.

 

Smart Doll

+ great body aesthetics (looks good in form fitting or revealing clothing)

+ superior upper torso and neck mobility

+ easy to change hands

+ default hands fairly versatile

+ socket and included telescopic stand allow for stable posing out of the box

+ big selection of available dolls

- limited leg mobility (hip and knee allow for only about 90 degrees of bending)

- socket for stands at the back may be an aesthetic issue for some

- heads are slightly smaller than DD - so most non Smart Doll wigs tend to sit a bit loose (and currently there are no Smart Doll wigs available separately)

- limited body options (no variants except different bust sizes - and a rarely available boy body)

- body is not really intended to be disassembled (except for head, arms, bust)

 

DD-f3

+ good leg mobility

+ easy to change hands

+ lots of body options (from MMD to DDdy - many with several bust sizes; boy bodies also exist but are harder to come by)

+ disassembly, modification by the user is intended (albeit a bit tedious)

+ parts for replacement/customization are easily available

- somewhat limited upper torso and neck mobility (the vinyl shell pushes some poses back into default position)

- upper thighs (modeled for poseability) and torso seam may appear a bit odd in revealing clothing (not DDdy)

- lineup of easily available dolls (standard models) is limited

- default hands that come with your doll may be of limited use (my dream choice came with fist hands); prepare to get a separate set of hands (EDIT: This seems to apply only to Dollfie Dream Sister)

- while perfectly able to stand on their own, you'll need a stand for bump- or (light) earthquake proofing

 

Obitsu (this is mostly in regard to my soft skin Angel Philia - depending on the vinyl shell, your mileage may vary)

+ superior leg mobility

+ several options for body types with shells from different brands (Obitsu, Angel Philia, Azone, ...)

+ option for magnetic feet (default for some) is a decent alternative to a stand (when not wearing shoes)

+ parts for replacement/customization somewhat easily available

+ easy to disassemble

+ decent lineup of somewhat easily available dolls

- one less degree of freedom in hand movement (can be forced by rotation around the hand attachment bit)

- need a hairdryer to change hands (or get an extra wrist part for each hand)

- separate kneecaps and elbows may be an aesthetic issue for some

- are 50cm scale, so may look out of scale next to DDs or Smart Dolls (not an issue if you use a bigger head like the obitsu 50-04 - then they're similar to DDP)

- except for Azone, not too many companies doing clothing this size

 

Staining:

In my experience the harder parts of the Smart Doll shell are a bit more resistant to staining. The softer parts (bust, hands) are about the same as DD and Obitsu.

 

Joints:

I didn't have joint related issues with any of my dolls as of yet and all appear to be sturdy enough for lots of posing. Regarding head removal, they also hold up well until now. However: Obitsu use a separate neck connector piece, so removal is easiest and does not put any extra stress on the head.

 

Thats's all I can think of for now...

 

 

 

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default hands that come with your doll may be of limited use (my dream choice came with fist hands); prepare to get a separate set of hands

This is something that only happens with DDS (Dollfie Dream Sister) and I’m still not sure why this is. Every other DD comes with the standard neutral hands, but for whatever reason a DDS body and a lot of the licensed character dolls on DDS bodies come with the fists. I didn’t even know this until recently because even though my first DD was Kagamine Rin, a DDS, she actually comes with the holding hands (with yellow painted nails) in order to hold the mic she comes with. Since Dream Choice uses the stock bodies, it makes sense that the DDS ones would have fists, but it still doesn’t make sense to me why the DDS comes with fists and no one else does... that said, I think option hands are a vital point of enjoying photography so I don’t really think it’s a minus to need to buy more, especially cos the fist hands are so cute. I consider it more of a minus when I can’t buy option hands lol.


Anyway, as for my own opinions on differences...

A lot of this is due to individual preference but I personally think one of the main minuses of smartdoll is that there isn’t really a ton of variety in facial sculpts. There’s only a handful of molds (each with a bunch of different faceups) whereas DD has well over 100 (mostly due to being around longer) and more standard sculpts alone than what SmD has total. Obviously not all sculpts are readily available at Volks at all times, but there’s the secondhand market for that too. 
 

As for the quality of the sculpts themselves, that’s also invidious preference but I personally do not like the facial sculpting of smartdolls. They’re purposefully designed to be easily photographable from the front with minimal to no shadows cast from facial contours, and it achieves this by making the plane of the face extremely flat. Which is fine if that’s what you want, and the lack of dealing with contour shadows probably does make them easier to photograph for people new to dolls and toy photography (especially in low light) but any other angle looks bizarre because of it (there is a reason all the official photos on the website only show the dolls front-on, and I was a little shocked when I saw the side profile of one of the semi-real girls). Personal preference, but I prefer the sculpted contours on a typical DD sculpt and getting different moods from different angles.

With my experience with owning a smartdoll and also the experiences of others I’ve noted over the years on here and across social media I can also say that smartdolls are not as durable as DDs and definitely break a lot easier, which is kind of a pain considering how the spare parts aren’t as easily available. The main culprit almost always seems to be where the spine connects to the waist joint (also where mine broke without even doing anything adventurous with the posing) which can snap. I don’t know if this is just a problem with how the spine is constructed and affects all the dolls or if there are just ‘bad’ batches because I’ve seen people who take their smartdolls with them travelling everywhere and never have an issue, whereas a lot of the reported breakages happened for seemingly no reason on dolls that stay at home on shelves.

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Tierparkzone
1 hour ago, Monty said:

This is something that only happens with DDS (Dollfie Dream Sister) and I’m still not sure why this is. Every other DD comes with the standard neutral hands, but for whatever reason a DDS body and a lot of the licensed character dolls on DDS bodies come with the fists. I didn’t even know this until recently because even though my first DD was Kagamine Rin, a DDS, she actually comes with the holding hands (with yellow painted nails) in order to hold the mic she comes with. Since Dream Choice uses the stock bodies, it makes sense that the DDS ones would have fists, but it still doesn’t make sense to me why the DDS comes with fists and no one else does... that said, I think option hands are a vital point of enjoying photography so I don’t really think it’s a minus to need to buy more, especially cos the fist hands are so cute. I consider it more of a minus when I can’t buy option hands lol.

Thank you, this explains a lot.

I agree that eventually getting extra hands is a big part of the hobby, but the Dream Choice DDS was my first Dollfie. After unpacking her at home and realizing she came with fists - then having to go get extra hands right away to be able to do more natural poses was a bit annoying... Especially as, if I knew that beforehand, I could have picked up the extra hands together with the doll.

The standard hands that come with Smart Dolls and apparently non-DDS Dollfie Dreams are just more versatile. So if you don't already have a stash of hands, you can already play around a lot more before deciding what other hands to get.

 

1 hour ago, Monty said:

With my experience with owning a smartdoll and also the experiences of others I’ve noted over the years on here and across social media I can also say that smartdolls are not as durable as DDs and definitely break a lot easier, which is kind of a pain considering how the spare parts aren’t as easily available. The main culprit almost always seems to be where the spine connects to the waist joint (also where mine broke without even doing anything adventurous with the posing) which can snap. I don’t know if this is just a problem with how the spine is constructed and affects all the dolls or if there are just ‘bad’ batches because I’ve seen people who take their smartdolls with them travelling everywhere and never have an issue, whereas a lot of the reported breakages happened for seemingly no reason on dolls that stay at home on shelves.

That is an interesting point. My oldest Smartdolls so far have survived nearly 2.5 years of lots of posing and redressing. - Makes me wonder if this is something I'll have to deal with in the future.

Could this be an issue that has been fixed with a later iteration of the frame? Depends on when the Smart Dolls with this issue have been bought...

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Gabihime

I thought I’d come and weigh in too, mainly concerning DD and Obitsu50, since that’s what I own.  I could also talk about vindolls, because I absolutely love them, but I’m assuming this is about female dolls.  If somebody wants me to talk about male vinyl dolls, I am ready to!

I’ve owned Dollfie Dreams for over ten years.  I own every major size except DDP, and I own custom dolls, character dolls, and hybrid dolls.  I love DDs.  They have an awesome assortment of sizes and skin colors now, especially if you take advantage of the Dream Choice system, and the price for a DC doll is very reasonable, even factoring in a deputy.  There are also lots and lots of beautiful clothes made by Volks, new sets each month, which makes it easy to build up a substantial wardrobe.  Many other doll clothing makers also make clothing for DD, including Doll House, Air Castle, MV Studio, and others.  
 

There is also a substantial customization scene both in Japan and abroad, so it’s possible to get something absolutely unique, or build it to your own exact specifications.  The fact that customization is expected and encouraged in the Japanese doll community is one of the reasons I find myself so at home there.

There is a large range of small batch custom parts, including eyes, heads, busts, hands, feet, and other parts, if you know where to look for them.

Dollfie Dreams blow it out of the water with the number and quality of the head sculpts available, both officially from Volks, and as after market customizations.

Even on my Obitsu50 frame bodies, I generally have Dollfie Dream heads on them, or heads intended for DD bodies (Dollce, SQLabs).

I love Dollfie Dreams.  I feel like engaging with them really is like opening the doors to your dreams, where anything you imagine is possible.

 

Now for obitsu50!  I ALSO LOVE THESE.  I own an Angel Philia type H in Super Whitey, an Obitsu50 with a Dollypop three part torso, and an VMF50 Miu in brown, who has a type B body (muscles!).

 

I am a person who loves body sculpts.  A lot of the time my dolls stand around naked, despite their giant wardrobes, just so I can admire the lines of their bodies.  That means that body aesthetics are important to me.  That’s one of the reasons I got into Dollfie Dreams in the first place.  Even though the poseability of Obitsu dolls was excellent, I wasn’t a huge fan of their vinyl shells.  I liked the vinyl shells of DDs much better, even if the interior armature wasn’t as good out of the box.

But, as time progressed, other companies began making different vinyl shell pieces for the 50/48 frame.  VMF50/AngelPhilia/PinkDrops are all the same maker/creator, and the choice for vinyl shells from them alone is staggering, and they’re all beautifully detailed and all can be mixed and matched, with a little bit of modification (some work fine just out of the box.  It’s just related to how wide the chest piece opening is.)

Dollypop, which offers the options for a three piece torso, and has their own full complement of hip, chest, belly, and thigh pieces, are also beautifully sculpted and detailed.  With the three piece torso on, a stock Obitsu frame can do some seriously insane things.

The magnet feet are also very appealing and useful, to the point where I now pry apart feet and load them with magnets on all my dolls, Vindoll and Volks included.  Especially useful since so many of my dolls are naked and barefoot all the time simply because I like looking at them.

For me, I ultimately reach peak happiness with the ultimate customizability that comes from hybrid dolls.  My most precious doll is my Gabriel, who is currently a DD Mariko head on an Angel Philia type H body in super whitey.  She is just how I want her to be.  The next doll I’m working to complete is an SQLabs Haruka on a VMF50 B body in brown.   These girls look absolutely at home with my other DDs (and the rest of my dolls) which is important to me as well.

They can also take advantage of the staggering amount of really cute casual clothes that Azone makes for their 50 cm doll line.

 

There are various reasons I decided against smartdoll completely, but a major one was the head sculpts.  Once I saw heads without wigs from multiple angles, I found I did not like them at all.  Although the dark skin options of smart doll are appealing, the lack of different body sizes and the head sculpts x-ed them off the list.  After all, I can always dye or paint a vinyl shell to the skin color I want, but I can’t do much with a body or head shape I don’t particularly like, especially as customization/hybrids are not encouraged in the SMD ecosystem.

 

Also!  I have a very early DDS, the first of the revised DDS frames, DDS Mariko, White Skin.  I can confirm that she also came with rocks.  I think that possibly all the DDS coming with rocks may be an artifact of Mariko, since she was featured with rocks heavily in her promo images.  Even now I basically always keep at least one rock on Gabriel on her AP body just for old times sake.  I do find rocks very versatile myself, but that’s probably also because of my doll styling and her character, which is young aristocrat lady.

 

TLDR: 1. Buy the head you want.  2. Buy the body you want.  3. Stick them together. 4. Happiness.

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