Other on-topic dolls

19 hours ago, Tierparkzone said:

While we're at it, could we add more subforums for on-topic dolls too? The site is desperately in need of a Tiny Fox section. And a few more options in the "Other on-topic" section would probably be nice to find Imomo, Dollbot, Yubel, etc. related stuff more quickly too.

What I think I need to know here is likely are people to post on those makers? I've never even heard of Yubel, and while I have seen a lot of Imomo and Tinyfox chatter here, I thought there was a question about one of them going out of business? 
 

I did mention it to Averis when I asked about the increase in spam. I'm totally fine expanding the other on-topics. 

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Other off-topic dolls

Wait? Other Off-topic or On-topic dolls?

 

Sorry, that my earlier post was a bit ambiguous.

I agree that, apart from Tinyfox (and maybe Imomo), at least for now, there doesn't appear to be enough chatter to fill out more individual manufacturer sections. But currently many models are kinda confined to one/few thread(s) all getting buried in the "Other On-Topic Dolls > General Discussions" subforum.

Case in point:

Spoiler

1 hour ago, BeyondTime said:

I've never even heard of Yubel

I can see that it wouldn't be very efficient to create tons of "Other On-Topic Dolls > insert random maker here" subforums that would only have a handful of threads in them each. However, it would probably help to diversify the "Other On-Topic Dolls" section in the same way as the other sections into at least:

General Discussions
News & Events
Q&A

so it is easier for people to look for / share specific info without getting buried too quickly. If we then can encourage people to tag the posts there with the specific doll type they're talking about that would be optimal. (Although I'm under no illusion that that'll happen consistently). 

Not sure if we would necessarily need Clothing & Accessories and Customizations subforums, as they appear to be the least frequented ones in the other sections, but they may still be helpful to some people. Photos are probably best kept in the "Community" section as they'd be a mix of different dolls anyways.

 

1 hour ago, BeyondTime said:

What I think I need to know here is likely are people to post on those makers?

I've answered questions about Dollbot and Imomo dolls before, and like to check the news on most of the different makers (although I'm not replying that often). If there's a dedicated Q&A section for other on-topic dolls, that'll probably encourage people to post their question about e.g. Imomo dolls in a new thread there instead of inside the Imomo megathread, where it could easily get overlooked.

 

1 hour ago, BeyondTime said:

I thought there was a question about one of them going out of business?

That was Imomo - but as far as I am aware they have somewhat recovered. Tinyfox seems to be anything but going out of business. 😝

As @Tierparkzone mentioned, I don’t know that there’s enough discussion to warrant an entire separate subforum, but I’m not sure if that’s because everyone is confined to the megathreads.

Instead of separate subforums complete with General Discussions/News & Events/Q&A section, maybe we can change the Other section to have a subsection just for TinyFox, Imomodoll, etc. You can make more subdivisons later if these subsections are popular enough.

And I realize this might be asking too much, but I think it would be super cool if we had a section (or subsection) dedicated to smol and tiny dolls, including blindbox dolls. These are so popular nowadays and could potentially bring more people here.

1 hour ago, Tierparkzone said:

Wait? Other Off-topic or On-topic dolls?

I fixed it, I had a blond moment. 
 

1 hour ago, Tierparkzone said:

General Discussions
News & Events
Q&A

I would add Photos, and that's pretty much what I was thinking of for off-topic too. 

 

1 hour ago, Tierparkzone said:

Imomo dolls in a new thread there instead of inside the Imomo megathread, where it could easily get overlooked.

I never liked the mega thread format on DoA, but the variety of dolls is so large it's not like they have a lot of options. You can't find anything in a mega thread unless you already know what page it was on.

 

34 minutes ago, ragnamuffin said:

And I realize this might be asking too much, but I think it would be super cool if we had a section (or subsection) dedicated to smol and tiny dolls, including blindbox dolls. These are so popular nowadays and could potentially bring more people here.

I know nothing of this. If they fit the following: 

• An internal frame, that is separate from the outer body "casing," with articulated joints.
• An outer vinyl "body" that can be taken apart, including the head.
• A sculpted body that is suitable for display nude.
• Joints at the neck, shoulders, elbows, wrists, chest, legs, knees, and feet.
• Heads that do not have rooted hair.
• Heads with eyes (non-sleeping heads) are designed for the eyes to be changed

They probably fit other on-topic, if not they fit off-topic. That does explains the constant use of the word blindbox in the discord feed though.
 

The only thing I think we really want to avoid is things that attract kids; hence why Barbie is disallowed. Much of the NSFW content is wildly inappropriate for kids. 

It would make sense to have a NSFW section that is only accessible by request and with ID verification for the adult content, but I'm pretty open minded about the line between adult content and art. If it's something you could see in a major art museum like the Met or the Musée du Louvre, then as far as I'm concerned it's not adult content. If it's potentially harmful or confusing to humans too young to process it or put it into context, it shouldn't be openly accessible. It's not a morality or prudery thing with me, it's just about being responsible adults when kids are involved in any way.

They do have a restricted section like that on the discord and I think it makes sense. I don't know how we'd manage it though given that it might take more access than moderators have. 

2 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

They probably fit other on-topic, if not they fit off-topic. That does explains the constant use of the word blindbox in the discord feed though.

The line is increasingly being blurred so there’s no one-size fits all answer to this. Some are strung and some fit together like action figures (but don’t have an internal frame). Almost all have removable eyes and molded hair, and are made of either resin or PVC/ABS. I don’t know the best way to go about this, but if you expand the Off-Topic section to include resins and other dolls, maybe we can have a subsection for 1/6 and 1/12 sized dolls?

2 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

The only thing I think we really want to avoid is things that attract kids; hence why Barbie is disallowed. Much of the NSFW content is wildly inappropriate for kids. 

It would make sense to have a NSFW section that is only accessible by request and with ID verification for the adult content, but I'm pretty open minded about the line between adult content and art. If it's something you could see in a major art museum like the Met or the Musée du Louvre, then as far as I'm concerned it's not adult content. If it's potentially harmful or confusing to humans too young to process it or put it into context, it shouldn't be openly accessible. It's not a morality or prudery thing with me, it's just about being responsible adults when kids are involved in any way.

They do have a restricted section like that on the discord and I think it makes sense. I don't know how we'd manage it though given that it might take more access than moderators have.

Idk if it has to be that complicated. Opt-in would be good but likely hard to implement. ID verification might be taking it too far.

To start, we can just restrict visibility when logged out, similar to how the meetup section is only visible to members when logged in. As it is now, it’s a bit at odds with what you wrote about protecting the kids, because anyone can see those photos. Slapping NSFW onto the title isn’t going to stop them from seeing them.

On that note, I’m not sure why you’re focused only on underaged children when there are plenty of adults who don’t want to see it either, and not everyone tags their posts properly. There are also degrees to NSFW—suggestive poses, suggestive clothing, no clothing, BDSM, explicitly sexual content, etc. Just tagging a topic as “NSFW” doesn’t give people a good idea of what to expect, so it’s easy to come across stuff you didn’t actually want to see. I’ve also noticed that the more people post this kind of edgy stuff, the more emboldened other users become to post stuff that pushes the envelope further.

Having a dedicated section with limited visibility would at the very least be respectful of the boundaries of those that shouldn’t or don’t want to see that kind of stuff, regardless of age.

9 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

Idk if it has to be that complicated. Opt-in would be good but likely hard to implement. ID verification might be taking it too far.

On the discord people just provided a photo of their ID with pretty much everything blacked out except what was needed to verify age. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. 

Simple would be making a few threads, and anything else like them, inaccessible to anyone except members. At a minimum I think that should be done. We really do have things that kids shouldn't find in a web search on toys. Complex would be a section people need to request access for, and which could have a dedicated moderator who enjoys that kind of content, but enforces rules for that section. 
 

9 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

On that note, I’m not sure why you’re focused only on underaged children when there are plenty of adults who don’t want to see it either, and not everyone tags their posts properly.

I believe we have an obligation not to harm the development of a child. Adults, who are here voluntarily, can put things in context and be offended without being damaged by it. I don't personally like much of what is in the AP thread, but it's not hurting me, and unlike you I do have to look at it whether I want to or not. 

(Just to be clear, my use of the word "your" in this paragraph is aimed at any reader, and not the person I am responding to.")
I want to make a distinction here about NSFW. Nothing in your personal life is "Safe for Work," and in the world of smartphones nothing personal ever needs to touch your work network or computer, and for your own safety it shouldn't. If you look at this forum at work in the US, an employer could decide you have mental health problems and are too big a risk to keep employed. A co-worker could use it to target you for abuse / harassment. Keep the personal stuff at home. This is from a guy that has managed network systems for 20+ years, the network teams can see everything, there are tools that load any page you browse to on their console in real time. They can access the private keys on your desktop and decrypt a lot of what passes to your system.

NSFW in the context of what we are talking about here is really a euphemism for content inappropriate for, or known to be unwanted by, some audiences.

 

9 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

There are also degrees to NSFW—suggestive poses, suggestive clothing, no clothing, BDSM, explicitly sexual content,

The first two are subjective, regardless they don't need to be in a restricted section. I can't speak for Japan, but in US I've seen that exact stuff on the cover of Cosmo in the checkout stand in the grocery store since I was old enough to toddle. It's even more open in Europe from what I remember. 

"No clothing" depends on context to determine if it belongs in adults only. Like a doll wearing a towel around their torso is technically not wearing clothing, but isn't "adults only." A doll posing nude like a Playboy centerfold would certainly be adults only, but a nude doll body in the marketplace isn't.

The last two items would belong in an "adults only" section, but outside a few threads grandfathered in from the old forum, our rules don't even allow them anyways. If we added an adults only section we'd be opening up to letting people post that kind of content and probably only forbidding content that is truly obscene, or outright illegal. I'm not sure if the forum admin would even agree to that.

I have suggested more admin level users, more sections, and section mods, as well as a NSFW section and a ban on Gen AI images but not on tool use, and we aren't going to adopt any rule because of a political position. If there were more mods, and I have my doubts on that, rules do need to be applied consistently by all staff, and I'm not saying that is what happens, but everyone should be treated the same to keep things fair. If the mods start fighting it's going to end up being drama and armed camps. We'd be most likely to pick someone who has the skills and fits the current team's more relaxed outlook on life. We aren't here to harass people for being different, we're adults playing with giant dolls, we're all different by society's norms. Society can go @*!# it's norms, but still, who are we to judge normal? 

 

Uhhh, okay… I think you might be overthinking things and making a lot of unfounded assumptions.

I think everyone is clear on what NSFW means in this context, and I used those examples because people have tagged those kinds of images as ‘NSFW’ before. Even if you consider some of them tame because they’re normalized in your area, it does not mean that everyone else also has to accept them as normal too. I’m talking about respecting everyone’s boundaries, even if you don’t personally agree with where their line in the sand is re: nudity.

And I suggested a NSFW section because I thought it would be easier to have the threads all in one place that you could limit visibility to instead of limiting the visibility of a million different threads, but I’m not the one modding them so do whatever’s easiest for you. If you do go ahead and make a section for them, people will obviously still have to follow the forum rules to post there, so I’m not sure why you’re making it sound like it will be a free for all in the Wild West…

I’m also not sure what you’re talking about with the political positions, and treating everyone equally, and in-fighting between mods. No one mentioned any of that, but I’m getting the feeling you might think I want to be a mod, and I really don’t, so I hope that allays some of your fears?

ID verification may actually be illegal in some countries, especially without a secure system to handle it. And if people living in one of those countries do black out everything on their ID that they're not meant to share you can just as well have a page offering the choice between "Over 18" and "Not over 18"...

6 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

I think everyone is clear on what NSFW means in this context, and I used those examples because people have tagged those kinds of images as ‘NSFW’ before.

I was drawing a distinction between content that is suggestive, appropriate for the forum, but if it were an image of a real human, could get you in trouble at work, and content that is pornographic. I wanted to clearly rule out the workplace as a concern here because, at least imo, nothing personal should be on your employers computer / network.

We have content that imo is in fact pornographic, but the threads came over from the old forum and were not removed by Averis on import, so I haven't done anything about them and don't plan to. Those are the things that I think should be behind a wall and specifically, because kids. I don't personally object to them, and I'm not judging the people who post them, but I do believe it's a responsible position that right now they are over on the wrong side of a line that says adults only.

As far as normative or offensive there are limits on what we can enforce and there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

6 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

And I suggested a NSFW section because I thought it would be easier to have the threads all in one place that you could limit visibility to instead of limiting the visibility of a million different threads, but I’m not the one modding them so do whatever’s easiest for you.

I agree, but I don't know what options we have at the moment, and I am not the person managing the software so I am being vague because I don't know more than the basics. I'm not trying to hide something, I just don't have the knowledge. I suggested a range of options, and a section would be ideal; even then it wouldn't be a place to banish every little thing that makes someone uncomfortable. 

I do get that perceptions differ between cultures and between genders. I can try to put myself in your shoes to see your point of view through the lens of your experiences as a woman, but I know I'll always fall short because I've never lived your experience and I know I can never truly know how you feel about certain things.

These are the guidelines that I believe apply to this topic. 

No adult or inappropriate content.
Content that deals with pornography, rape, pedophilia, extreme gore, glorification of torture and violence, self-mutilation, abuse, and suicide are not allowed and will be removed. This includes text, links, images etc.

Use NSFW tags where needed.
If a post includes nudity please tag them as NSFW using the tag field.

 

Tasteful and artistic doll nudity.
We allow images of doll nudity for doll comparisons or information, new arrivals and box openings, and dolls in reveling clothing. Images of dolls that would fall under the adult or inappropriate content rule are not allowed and will be removed.
 

Lastly: 

Report! 
If you find a post/image that violates the forum rules please use the report button. DO NOT post rude comments or draw more attention to the offensive post.

We are small, and we have a small mod team, so we depend on reports to find a lot of things. We don't always agree with what is reported, and that's how it goes.

Just so everyone is clear: the no spamming, and no harassment rules, do apply to reporting things too. 
 

6 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

I’m not sure why you’re making it sound like it will be a free for all in the Wild West…

If we move things that currently cross the line into what I think is pornographic, and it is, into an adults only section, we can't turn around and tell people that they can't create a new thread that has the same kind of content. We would need rules for that section that are more detailed that what I listed above.

 

6 hours ago, ragnamuffin said:

I’m also not sure what you’re talking about with the political positions, and treating everyone equally, and in-fighting between mods. No one mentioned any of that, but I’m getting the feeling you might think I want to be a mod, and I really don’t, so I hope that allays some of your fears?

The political position comment goes back to the AI thread, the in fighting thing relates to concerns about DoA that were PM'd to me, and the consistent treatment / mods being on the same page is about not having one moderator say no to things another one says yes to. (That happened over something posted a few years back.) Everyone has to be on the same page. I mentioned a number of things I emailed Averis  about this morning and it pulled things from multiple threads. Sorry for the confusion.
 

I also pointed the threads out so Averis can reach his own conclusion from what people posted, and I am sure he will consult with @baldylox before doing anything. Baldy can be persuasive too, so don't get your hopes up on all of them. 😐

For the record, I've talked to you on Zoom and I don't think of you as unreasonable or anything like that, and I do get where you are coming from on a lot of this. I think I do share some of the same feelings about content or things that I see here, but I won't enforce a personal feeling that isn't clearly in the rules. I'm not having any fears other than I want to keep people engaged here and it is falling off. Some of the suggestions for fixed / additions may address that, and some of the content might be drawing in spammers. Like the sex doll spam is probably driven by the more adult content.

I have no problem with adding more sections to cover the more popular dolls like Tinyfox and Imomodoll.  I see plenty of content and questions here and other places so to make things easier for members here and give them more places to post where things don't "get lost" makes sense to me.  No worries there at all.

As for the NSFW thing, doing ID and other verification stuff is going a bit far for my tastes.  I know Discord does it and most people are fine with it but lots of other people aren't.  I think something could be done to keep it in one area more but how to implement that could be daunting.  I'd really have to sit down and think on how that would work best for us here.  But is it really a big problem?  I haven't had too many things pop up or get reported concerning it.

 

 Baldy can be persuasive too, so don't get your hopes up on all of them. 😐

Ha ha ha!  Oh yes, I can be both persuasive AND persistent when I want to be.  😄 

 

 

Billy 

21 minutes ago, baldylox said:

I'd really have to sit down and think on how that would work best for us here.  But is it really a big problem?  I haven't had too many things pop up or get reported concerning it.

I honestly more worried about kids looking for dolls or smartdolls (Danny's marketing) getting some of the images in the AP thread or the ecchi photo stories in a search. There is one there that is sort of funny at times, but oh wow is it adult.

I don't judge people's tastes and I don't care about peoples kinks, but I do care about the impact we could have on children's development. No one wants their child to get messed up by anything, and I don't want to be responsible for doing so. Kids are easily impressionable, their brains are primed to suck things up and etch them into their little psyches, and once they become adults you can't undo a lot of things, you have to teach people to work around them. I just think putting that kind of stuff into an NSFW section is a good idea, even if it is just member login to the forum to see it at this time. It opens the possibility for people to post more risqué images in the future too, but that's ultimately up to Averis to decide. 

I don't think things on the level of 'Kizuna and Chitose' need to move there, but the spicier stuff should. 

7 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

If we move things that currently cross the line into what I think is pornographic, and it is, into an adults only section, we can't turn around and tell people that they can't create a new thread that has the same kind of content. We would need rules for that section that are more detailed that what I listed above.

Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind your last post. It puts your reasoning into perspective, even though I’m not sure I agree with a lot of it. I want to clarify that what I mean by a section housing ‘NSFW’ content is a place for all threads where the OPs themselves have labeled their own thread as ‘NSFW’. I’m not suggesting you comb through all threads for pictures that may or may not be problematic, nor starting a witch hunt for people to report any and all problematic content. I think most people have been pretty good about labeling their threads even though—as I mentioned before—‘NSFW’ alone doesn’t always give you a good idea of what to expect.

7 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

We allow images of doll nudity for doll comparisons or information, new arrivals and box openings, and dolls in reveling clothing. Images of dolls that would fall under the adult or inappropriate content rule are not allowed and will be removed.

Yes, I don’t think these things are problematic nor require a NSFW tag (although I do think would be considerate to hide them under a spoiler tag for people who don’t want to see them). I’ve posted these kinds of things myself for science.

3 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

It opens the possibility for people to post more risqué images in the future too, but that's ultimately up to Averis to decide.

I don’t think this is necessary. There’s no need to make it a race to the bottom just because there’s a devoted section to house them in. If you’re that worried about the kids, they can still make accounts to gain access to the NSFW section anyway if you’re not going to enforce age restrictions (and I don’t think you can or should). A separate section just makes it so it’s organized into one place and people can choose to avoid it completely if they want. I don’t think the content rules you have in place need to be changed; if threads in the past were more explicit that what is currently allowed, you can archive them as relics from a different time or just delete them.

1 hour ago, ragnamuffin said:

I want to clarify that what I mean by a section housing ‘NSFW’ content is a place for all threads where the OPs themselves have labeled their own thread as ‘NSFW’.

I'm pretty sure that would take a major rework, if it could even be done. It might catch informational posts too. 

It might make more sense if the forum were set to hide all nsfw tagged content unless you opt-in, but I'm not sure if that's an option, and it might take a plug-in. We know the forum can do conditional access to sections because new members can't see the marketplace.

On 4/9/2026 at 8:11 PM, ragnamuffin said:

I want to clarify that what I mean by a section housing ‘NSFW’ content is a place for all threads where the OPs themselves have labeled their own thread as ‘NSFW’. I’m not suggesting you comb through all threads for pictures that may or may not be problematic, nor starting a witch hunt for people to report any and all problematic content.

I want to stress here I am not the admin, and I don't know if our version of the forum has these or if we are blocked from the versions that do. I have a feeling it is the latter for at least some of them. 

There is supposed to be a native opt-in to see NSFW content, and it persists until browser cache is cleared. If you don't click it nsfw is blurred out. If you do click it, it assumes you want to see all things tagged nsfw until you clear your browser cache. I couldn't find their documentation on that feature, so I only know about it from their forums.

The only other options are:

An nsfw section, but topics will still show in the main feed, unless that section has a password. 

The last option is put it in a club that people have to join, and that option blocks it from the main feed until you join. The main feed shows you anything you are allowed to see. Mods see hidden and deleted posts in the main feed.

I think the best option is the opt-in filter for items tagged nsfw, combined with a club, assuming we can do that with our forum version, for the more explicit content. Only that option blocks it from the feed and people just join that club if they want that sort of content. That wouldn't mean banishing APs to a club, but those explicit photos with the absurdly proportioned busts 😅 would move. 
 

Again, I don't know if we can do any of these, and it's up to the admin. 

I spent time today looking into the forum plug-in situation, and it looks like we can replace some of them with version 5 compatible apps, and some with native 5 features. The ones we might lose are the privacy app although that is supposed to have some native replacement, but it would not completely hide a profile. The forum slider might change to something native to a new theme, permanently, or until a new slider could be developed.

The doll directory would need to be recreated with native features, and that could take time. The theme would change, but I don't know how much. Light /dark mode is native in the newer version of the forum.

All of that is assuming Averis has the time to do the work, and if the forum is upgraded to 5, features could potentially be added back in phases. We really need Averis to weigh on all of this, and all that I mentioned above is speculative on my part. I just want folks to know we are looking into fixing things that seem to be broken or outdated.