do these outfits stain?

hello, i'm having a hard time right now. i'm not sure if these outfits stain, i'm honestly scared. okay i'm getting straight to the point, the outfits are; the default outfit of nanami , the default outfit of rem/ram , the Marine☆Tricolor / Pretty outfit , the satin pajama set (Ivory , the ruffle blouse set (white,pink , the halter-neck dress set , ruffle bikini & pink t-shirt set and the blazer uniform set (brown. i would be a huge help if someone responded, and thank you very much. \(^.^*)/

the links.

https://www.dollfiedream.tokyo/dd_en/model/dds_hag_nanami/ 

https://www.volks.co.jp/re-zero/en/dds_ram/

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424613.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424118.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992411491.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992414126.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992415499.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992417325.html

 

9 minutes ago, Ohana said:

hello, i'm having a hard time right now. i'm not sure if these outfits stain, i'm honestly scared. okay i'm getting straight to the point, the outfits are; the default outfit of nanami , the default outfit of rem/ram , the Marine☆Tricolor / Pretty outfit , the satin pajama set (Ivory , the ruffle blouse set (white,pink , the halter-neck dress set , ruffle bikini & pink t-shirt set and the blazer uniform set (brown. i would be a huge help if someone responded, and thank you very much. \(^.^*)/

the links.

https://www.dollfiedream.tokyo/dd_en/model/dds_hag_nanami/

https://www.volks.co.jp/re-zero/en/dds_ram/

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424613.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424118.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992411491.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992414126.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992415499.html

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992417325.html

 

None of these will stain your Dollfie. Volks is very careful now with the dyes they use for most outfits. 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Akane

26 minutes ago, Akane said:

None of these will stain your Dollfie. Volks is very careful now with the dyes they use for most outfits. 

thank you very much. 😊

https://www.dollfiedream.tokyo/dd_en/model/dds_hag_nanami/

I'd say definitely watch out for the socks.  Unless they're lined underneath (unlikely), I'd say they almost certainly stain.  I'd also be leery of where the waistband of the skirt touches the waist and where the top's straps touch the shoulders.  Also of note is the jacket.  Even though it is obviously lined, Volks often has black threads on the interior of items like that which can and do stain.

 

https://www.volks.co.jp/re-zero/en/dds_ram/

I'm trying for Rem, but I obviously haven't drawn her on lottery yet.  But I think this outfit will probably be relatively safe.  It reminds me of the Swallowtail Maid sets which are fairly good at being lined and having a protective layer between black and vinyl.  The concern would be those black straps.  They're probably lined, but the edges could contact the doll and stain.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424613.html

No idea.  The blue looks pretty dark, but things look well lined.  I'm going to lean towards it being one of those where you have to look out for edges of the dark colors.  In this case, the sleeve cuffs might be the issue.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424118.html

Black lines.  Potential danger where they could contact vinyl.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992411491.html

Almost certainly completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992414126.html

My Momo wore this for a prolonged period, so I can claim direct experience with this one.  My experience is that it's completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992415499.html

Almost certainly completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992417325.html

From the set itself, I'd look out for the skirt.  With the shirt tucked, that should take care of any issue, as I'm guessing there's probably a built in white slip under there.

I'd look out for the blazer around the hand area where the cuffs can touch vinyl.

If you pair it with separate black socks as in the sample image, then the black socks will stain.

 

A note for all of these with dark colors, particularly reds and blacks, you need to be cognizant of where your doll is touching.  Above, I say the Swallowtail Maid outfits are generally safe, but the black on the outfit can and will stain if the doll is posed touching the exterior of their outfit.  

My experience with darker colors is that it's not ever a question of WILL they stain.  It's only a question of HOW FAST they stain.  Some take a few days.  Others take a couple of hours.  I've encountered some reds which stain instantly on contact.

 

8 minutes ago, Gabriel said:

https://www.dollfiedream.tokyo/dd_en/model/dds_hag_nanami/

I'd say definitely watch out for the socks.  Unless they're lined underneath (unlikely), I'd say they almost certainly stain.  I'd also be leery of where the waistband of the skirt touches the waist and where the top's straps touch the shoulders.  Also of note is the jacket.  Even though it is obviously lined, Volks often has black threads on the interior of items like that which can and do stain.

 

I agree with you there with the black socks. But it really depends. The older stock will stain. But the new outfits and onwards use a different dye to prevent staining. 

1 hour ago, Gabriel said:

https://www.dollfiedream.tokyo/dd_en/model/dds_hag_nanami/

I'd say definitely watch out for the socks.  Unless they're lined underneath (unlikely), I'd say they almost certainly stain.  I'd also be leery of where the waistband of the skirt touches the waist and where the top's straps touch the shoulders.  Also of note is the jacket.  Even though it is obviously lined, Volks often has black threads on the interior of items like that which can and do stain.

 

https://www.volks.co.jp/re-zero/en/dds_ram/

I'm trying for Rem, but I obviously haven't drawn her on lottery yet.  But I think this outfit will probably be relatively safe.  It reminds me of the Swallowtail Maid sets which are fairly good at being lined and having a protective layer between black and vinyl.  The concern would be those black straps.  They're probably lined, but the edges could contact the doll and stain.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424613.html

No idea.  The blue looks pretty dark, but things look well lined.  I'm going to lean towards it being one of those where you have to look out for edges of the dark colors.  In this case, the sleeve cuffs might be the issue.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992424118.html

Black lines.  Potential danger where they could contact vinyl.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992411491.html

Almost certainly completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992414126.html

My Momo wore this for a prolonged period, so I can claim direct experience with this one.  My experience is that it's completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992415499.html

Almost certainly completely safe.

 

https://ec.volks.co.jp/category/01091402/4518992417325.html

From the set itself, I'd look out for the skirt.  With the shirt tucked, that should take care of any issue, as I'm guessing there's probably a built in white slip under there.

I'd look out for the blazer around the hand area where the cuffs can touch vinyl.

If you pair it with separate black socks as in the sample image, then the black socks will stain.

 

A note for all of these with dark colors, particularly reds and blacks, you need to be cognizant of where your doll is touching.  Above, I say the Swallowtail Maid outfits are generally safe, but the black on the outfit can and will stain if the doll is posed touching the exterior of their outfit.  

My experience with darker colors is that it's not ever a question of WILL they stain.  It's only a question of HOW FAST they stain.  Some take a few days.  Others take a couple of hours.  I've encountered some reds which stain instantly on contact.

 

thank you so much it is a great help, i'm really happy you responed. thank you

3 hours ago, Akane said:

None of these will stain your Dollfie. Volks is very careful now with the dyes they use for most outfits. 

 

2 hours ago, Ohana said:

thank you very much. 😊

Unfortunately what Akane said is entirely untrue. Staining is still hit or miss with Volks items and it is best to wash all doll clothing before putting it on your doll, as well as take precautions like taping and/or a bodysuit. While some fabrics may not stain depending on their fiber makeup and whether or not they were dyed, Volks tends to use dyed cotton threads that will stain at the seams. For example, Tohsaka Rin v2's stockings themselves do not stain, but the seams do. So yes, go with what Gabriel said and assume that at some point, even the most innocuous looking outfit will manage to stain your (vinyl*) doll. It's why mine all wear whites and pastels 🤣

 

*resin dolls will get stained pretty easily too but in my experience you can just wipe most of it off with a magic eraser

4 minutes ago, Elagabalus said:

 

Unfortunately what Akane said is entirely untrue. Staining is still hit or miss with Volks items and it is best to wash all doll clothing before putting it on your doll, as well as take precautions like taping and/or a bodysuit. While some fabrics may not stain depending on their fiber makeup and whether or not they were dyed, Volks tends to use dyed cotton threads that will stain at the seams. For example, Tohsaka Rin v2's stockings themselves do not stain, but the seams do. So yes, go with what Gabriel said and assume that at some point, even the most innocuous looking outfit will manage to stain your (vinyl*) doll. It's why mine all wear whites and pastels 🤣

 

*resin dolls will get stained pretty easily too but in my experience you can just wipe most of it off with a magic eraser

o okay, so washing it will help. and then like 2 or 3 times right? and just wearing a bodysuit/tape wil also do. i'm also more into pastels but got some of the outfits as my birthday presents.🙃 and i can't really return them, that's why i asked. but thanks, and i think i'll see. thanks again. bye bye.

 

40 minutes ago, Elagabalus said:

 

Unfortunately what Akane said is entirely untrue. Staining is still hit or miss with Volks items and it is best to wash all doll clothing before putting it on your doll, as well as take precautions like taping and/or a bodysuit. While some fabrics may not stain depending on their fiber makeup and whether or not they were dyed, Volks tends to use dyed cotton threads that will stain at the seams. For example, Tohsaka Rin v2's stockings themselves do not stain, but the seams do. So yes, go with what Gabriel said and assume that at some point, even the most innocuous looking outfit will manage to stain your (vinyl*) doll. It's why mine all wear whites and pastels 🤣

 

*resin dolls will get stained pretty easily too but in my experience you can just wipe most of it off with a magic eraser

It is not untrue. The older clothing used a different type of dye that needed washing before use so not to stain your Doll. The new clothing range uses a more tolerable dye which won't stain. Of course you still have to watch out for the darker colors. But it's not as bad. 

Ohana what he said is untrue. 

But if you really want a straight forward answer. You should ask volks. Because here is he said she said. 

51 minutes ago, Ohana said:

o okay, so washing it will help. and then like 2 or 3 times right? and just wearing a bodysuit/tape wil also do. i'm also more into pastels but got some of the outfits as my birthday presents.🙃 and i can't really return them, that's why i asked. but thanks, and i think i'll see. thanks again. bye bye.

 

Washing might not take care of the problem entirely but has a chance to at least reduce the impact of staining. Supposedly can color-fast dyes by soaking them in a salt+vinegar mix, but I think it depends on the fabric type + method it was dyed with so it's a complete crapshoot unless you know how it was made. It's honestly just safer to accept that whatever outfit you purchase has a chance to stain your doll no matter what. Luckily, they make dream rescue for that! 🤣 Anyway, if anyone needs washing instructions, I generally recommend laying everything flat in a lingerie bag and running it through a washing machine on the most delicate cycle and cold water. Let them lay flat to dry. If it's really delicate fabric I'd just hand wash it.
If you're worried about seams staining you could try covering them with masking tape! I haven't done that personally, but I have covered things like the backs of snaps and it's held up pretty well. As long as it's not super thin/delicate fabric I don't think it would show too much.

 

@akane where did you get that information? I've never heard of Volks making any statement about the dyes and fabrics used, and I think all Volks product descriptions carry a warning that they might stain your doll 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Elagabalus

2 minutes ago, Elagabalus said:

 

 

@akane where did you get that information? I've never heard of Volks making any statement about the dyes and fabrics used, and I think all Volks product descriptions carry a warning that they might stain your doll 

I asked the same question in Akihabara Doll Point a few months a go. Because I was concerned about straining my doll too. One of the staff that worked there told me. 

Obviously it don't apply to every outfit. But more for the new line. But probably darker colours will stain

i'm really confused right now but i'll try everything you guys said, and i'll also try sending an email to volks and get some rescue cream.

thank you all. 

26 minutes ago, Ohana said:

i'm really confused right now but i'll try everything you guys said, and i'll also try sending an email to volks and get some rescue cream.

thank you all. 

I'm sorry you're confused. Basically, all Volks outfits (and other non-Volks) outfits have a chance of staining depending on what fabric they're made of, how that fabric was colored/printed/dyed, and what type of thread they're sewn with. There are too many variables that make up an outfit to ever be able to make a blanket statement of "it absolutely won't stain". It's best to just take precautions like washing the clothing, using a body stocking, and/or taping the doll and/or the clothes. I imagine that if you were to email Volks, they'd give you a stock answer that basically says what I just did: everything has a chance of staining and if you're worried about it to wash the clothes, use a body stocking, and/or tape.

If you're suspicious that a particular item may stain, you can test it against the headcap, since that's almost always going to be covered by a wig anyway. The long and short of it is that your doll will get stained in some way over time. It just happens! I used to worry about it excessively and it's honestly not worth freaking out over too much! Just take the necessary precautions and if something stains, it's not the end of the world and you can almost always Dream Rescue it!

Edited September 2, 2019 by Elagabalus
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Alright everyone let's stay cordial with this.  Some earlier comments sounded a little heated so I'm posting to let y'all know that needs to settle down.

As for the topic, in my experience, no brand is free from possible staining.  Volks is terrible at making non staining clothing regardless of if it's older or newer clothing.  Threads are also major culprits of stains as mentioned above.  What I do is any time I get something in that I think *might* stain, I put it in a delicates bag and toss it in with my own laundry for a few loads.  That usually takes care of any issues, at least for me.

 

 

Billy

 

3 hours ago, Akane said:

I asked the same question in Akihabara Doll Point a few months a go. Because I was concerned about straining my doll too. One of the staff that worked there told me. 

If you don’t mind Akane I’d like to know which Doll Point staff told you this and when. The reason is because for the past year or so I’ve heard a bunch of bizarre and blatantly untrue things said by separate people, mostly on Facebook, using ‘Volks Dollpoint staff’ as a source, and its been bothering me for a while now - it’s somehing I’m trying to get to bottom of tbh. Here are just some of the things I’ve seen said as ‘Dollpoint staff told me’, by separate people:

*The Nier dolls will not be sold online and are only for Japanese customers (very untrue, they were the 2018 preorder and preorder projects are open to everybody)

*The Nier dolls that were displayed in store do not have faceups under their blindfolds (very untrue, they removed the blindfolds halfway through their display period)

*something else untrue about the Sakura Miku release - I don’t remember what it was exactly but I remember being like ‘huh?!’ when I read it because I knew it wasn’t true. 

 

I’m not saying that someone at Dollpoint is intentionally giving false info but the frequency is odd to me and I think a few things could be going on here. The person asked misinterpreted the question (especially if it was a yes/no question), the  person asking misinterpreted the answer - both due to limited English (I can understand the first example, the person may have actually wanted to preorder the Nier doll via the Akiba store and been told only people living in Japan can do that, which is true, you can’t preorder via a physical store in Japan unless you live there, you have to use the online store otherwise- but they misinterpreted the answer as ‘these dolls themselves are japan only’...).  There’s another unpleasant possibility I don’t really want to think about, that it could also just be people making stuff up so people will think they have exclusive scoops they actually do not and thus get Facebook attention. It could also just be that the staff simpy do not know and then not knowing was interpreted as a negative answer to a yesno question. I kinda hate to say it but the store staff are not the development/inner staff and thus don’t have access to the same insider info but I have still been genuinely surprised at some of the things they have not known (one of the Fukuoka staff for example did not even know there was an international web store until I told her, because she was sad about the fact that she thought when I moved back home I would no longer be able to buy the products!) 

Because of this, I ironically get even more sceptical when I see someone say ‘dollpoint staff told me..’ and in this case it’s certainly untrue. I think that maybe technically the clothes have gotten better at not staining over the years but only in the sense that the worst culprits for staining seem to be much older releases. But there are plenty of new things that have stained and plenty of old things that don’t. I’ve certainly had stuff i wouldnt expect to stain end up staining (including things I was told would not stain by other users 8’)) and also been surprised when things I expect to stain do not. But that’s why Volks have that standard stain warning on everything they sell. 

As others have said it’s not a big deal if it happens, a rite of passage even.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Monty

9 hours ago, Monty said:

 

If you don’t mind Akane I’d like to know which Doll Point staff told you this and when. The reason is because for the past year or so I’ve heard a bunch of bizarre and blatantly untrue things said by separate people, mostly on Facebook, using ‘Volks Dollpoint staff’ as a source, and its been bothering me for a while now - it’s somehing I’m trying to get to bottom of tbh. Here are just some of the things I’ve seen said as ‘Dollpoint staff told me’, by separate people:

*The Nier dolls will not be sold online and are only for Japanese customers (very untrue, they were the 2018 preorder and preorder projects are open to everybody)

*The Nier dolls that were displayed in store do not have faceups under their blindfolds (very untrue, they removed the blindfolds halfway through their display period)

*something else untrue about the Sakura Miku release - I don’t remember what it was exactly but I remember being like ‘huh?!’ when I read it because I knew it wasn’t true. 

 

I’m not saying that someone at Dollpoint is intentionally giving false info but the frequency is odd to me and I think a few things could be going on here. The person asked misinterpreted the question (especially if it was a yes/no question), the  person asking misinterpreted the answer - both due to limited English (I can understand the first example, the person may have actually wanted to preorder the Nier doll via the Akiba store and been told only people living in Japan can do that, which is true, you can’t preorder via a physical store in Japan unless you live there, you have to use the online store otherwise- but they misinterpreted the answer as ‘these dolls themselves are japan only’...).  There’s another unpleasant possibility I don’t really want to think about, that it could also just be people making stuff up so people will think they have exclusive scoops they actually do not and thus get Facebook attention. It could also just be that the staff simpy do not know and then not knowing was interpreted as a negative answer to a yesno question. I kinda hate to say it but the store staff are not the development/inner staff and thus don’t have access to the same insider info but I have still been genuinely surprised at some of the things they have not known (one of the Fukuoka staff for example did not even know there was an international web store until I told her, because she was sad about the fact that she thought when I moved back home I would no longer be able to buy the products!) 

Because of this, I ironically get even more sceptical when I see someone say ‘dollpoint staff told me..’ and in this case it’s certainly untrue. I think that maybe technically the clothes have gotten better at not staining over the years but only in the sense that the worst culprits for staining seem to be much older releases. But there are plenty of new things that have stained and plenty of old things that don’t. I’ve certainly had stuff i wouldnt expect to stain end up staining (including things I was told would not stain by other users 8’)) and also been surprised when things I expect to stain do not. But that’s why Volks have that standard stain warning on everything they sell. 

As others have said it’s not a big deal if it happens, a rite of passage even.

Everyone knows Facebook is Fakebook so don't believe any information you read there. 

It is true that there is a possibility that every outfit will stain your doll. But over the years Volks has been a little more careful.  

The staff did not say they will not stain. But the lighter colors and some of the later darker colors are a little more friendly for the doll. 

Imo though just use tape or body outfit to avoid any possible problems with staining. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Akane

Sorry, I'm confused Akane. I thought you said earlier in the thread that none of the outfits listed would stain, and that Volks was now careful with what products they used when designing outfits?

On 9/2/2019 at 9:30 AM, Akane said:

None of these will stain your Dollfie. Volks is very careful now with the dyes they use for most outfits. 

I think the reason why all of us are vehemently disagreeing with you is because in our experience that isn't the case, and Volks has never (to my knowledge) made a public statement about all new outfits produced after x date being stain-free. We don't want Ohana or anyone else that's new to this hobby to get the wrong idea, not take anti-staining precautions, and subsequently wind up with staining.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Elagabalus
What's grammar and punctuation???

Elagabalus. I did say that and I stick by it. Most of the outfits she listed won't stain are lighter colours accept black. 

So they won't stain. As for the darker colors. I would just use tape or body sock. But to be in the safe side she should just use it for all her outfits. 

I have 3 dolls and I have not had a issue with any staining.  But I suppose if you live in a hotter more humid country you might have a problem with staining. 

 

 

I just wanna pop in and say that I agree with Gabriel's break-down of the potential staining issues, totally nailed it. There's always some potential for staining but most of those outfits do seem pretty safe, save for where Gabriel has pointed out.

@Ohana, if you're worried about staining, the other thing I'd add is to watch for wigs! I've actually had much worse staining issues with wigs than I have with clothes. Black and dark blue wig caps = bad news, baby. Volks seems especially bad at this, too. 

6 minutes ago, Cauldroness said:

I just wanna pop in and say that I agree with Gabriel's break-down of the potential staining issues, totally nailed it. There's always some potential for staining but most of those outfits do seem pretty safe, save for where Gabriel has pointed out.

@Ohana, if you're worried about staining, the other thing I'd add is to watch for wigs! I've actually had much worse staining issues with wigs than I have with clothes. Black and dark blue wig caps = bad news, baby. Volks seems especially bad at this, too. 

what about pink or light color wigs? do they stain too?

3 minutes ago, Ohana said:

what about pink or light color wigs? do they stain too?

Mostly the darker colors stain. You don't need to worry about the light color wigs. I have not had any problems with wig staining. But to be on the safe side use a wig cap. But you don't need to for light colors. Imo

1 minute ago, Akane said:

Mostly the darker colors stain. You don't need to worry about the light color wigs. I have not had any problems with wig staining. But to be on the safe side use a wig cap. But you don't need to for light colors. Imo

o okay thanks.

2 hours ago, Ohana said:

what about pink or light color wigs? do they stain too?

In the majority of cases, it's only the wig caps to be concerned about, not the fibers of the wig. A black, brown, or dark blue wig is safe as long as the fabric wig cap is light colored, usually tan to blend with the doll's skin color. This is pretty consistent by company; Volks uses dark wig caps on those wigs, some other companies like Crobi use light wig caps no matter the color of the wig.

@jadepixel has an article with some information here: http://www.jadepixeldoll.com/where-to-buy-dollfie-dream-smartdoll-wigs/

The exception to what I just said are the less-common wig types that are made out of a different type of fiber and dyed, such as alpaca wigs, and certain other wigs that use a powder to give the wig a gradient in color; Volks' Chihaya Kisaragi's blue wig is notorious for this. Be clear on this point--there are many wigs that have color variations and most of the time that is accomplished by using a mixture of different colored fibers and how those are laid out or cut in different lengths accomplishes the effect, and there is no problem with such wigs.

Edited September 3, 2019 by cfx